Wednesday, April 21, 2010

Growing up quickly


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A recent post from TRS made me think about how normally we excuse teenagers from their immature behavior by stating that they are, in fact, immature and have underdeveloped frontal cortices. (Most people perhaps don't phrase it this way, but the two statements are in fact congruent. Just like saying "he is not bar-mitzva yet" and "his body has not started its testosterone production fully".)

And yet we find stories of teenagers acting in a very responsible manner (oftentimes much more responsibly than many adults) when suddenly faced with responsibilities. The stories that come to my mind (because of my background) are of children during WWII. Somehow being left in blockaded Leningrad (where a few thousand people are dying every day from cold and starvation and cannibalism is prevalent) makes one grow up very quickly.

Actually, my mother has recently befriended a young Russian couple. The husband's grandmother was 15 or 16 when the war started. Her father died in battle. So did her mother (the Soviets were very egalitarian those days). She had a younger sister and a younger brother. When the shelling of Moscow by Nazis started, she picked her siblings up and left. Where did she go? Well, she remembered that she had some relatives in Krasnoyarsk, so she went there, by foot. In the middle of winter. Where, you ask, is Krasnoyarsk? Well, just a bit north of Mongolia. The distance is about equivalent to that between Mexico City and Alaska (see the map above). Again, I repeat, in winter. Traveling on the roads so bad that German tanks had trouble getting through them (and this was on the European side of Russia; she had to go through the Asian side).

Not to mention all the 16-year-olds who fought in the army against Nazis. And the 15-year-olds who forged their dates of birth so that they could join.

Now, these are not stories of exceptional heroism. Such acts were commonplace. People did what they had to do. And not just in shelled Moscow. In shelled London too. In shelled Warsaw. In concentration camps. Each culture equivalent to its needs and its people's strength of character. Children nowadays are doing the same things in Africa, in India, in China, in the US South, when they have to.

So, I wonder: do their prefrontal cortices speed up in development? Or do they just do the right thing, not making excuses of maturity and anatomy?

Also (and this is really an old question of mine for those who are keeping track), what should the modern parents do? Surely we should not wish upon our children to encounter difficulties in life (the life will take care of that by itself). But certainly living in a golden bubble also has its averse affects.

32 comments:

e said...

this proves that neuroscience is useless in predicting human behavior.

Anarchist Chossid said...

No, just not 100% accurate. I.e., things are complicated.

E.g., I can argue all I want about nature vs. nurture in human NS development, but no matter how much training, a monkey will never be smarter than a (healthy) human.

Also, as an atheist, how can you say that? Isn't the brain all there is?

e said...

i just said it to obnoxious.

Just like a guy said...

Interesting question which is dealt with in the V'ata Tetzaveh.

Anarchist Chossid said...

You mean, gilui ha’yechida?

Just like a guy said...

Something along those lines.

Anarchist Chossid said...

But did Jews not revert to the normal state of being on the level of nara"n after being on the level of mesirus nefesh following the influence from yechida? While these children remained mature, having matured... err... prematurely.

Just like a guy said...

Did they remain mature? Perhaps they're state was merely mistaken for maturity?

Anarchist Chossid said...

Yes, they certainly did.

Nope, they really were mature. Their behavior and life decisions after the war showed it.

Actually, people were mature back in the day even without such extremes. That’s why it was absolutely normal for people to marry early. Imagine a 16-year-old bochur marrying nowadays. Some people shouldn’t marry when they are 26! (Not, that’s not 26-factorial, e.)

I wonder if we are reversing the cause and the effect here. Of if nurture supports the nature. I.e., surely it’s up to brain being developed for people to act maturely. But then, increased stimulation from the environment leads to increased rate of development. This is well known.

Brain is a complicated thing. Even a male brain.

Just like a guy said...

Yes, the human being is truly a wondrous thing. Even the male being.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Well, I wouldn’t go as far as calling the whole of the male being marvelous. I was merely referring to the blood-cooling organ up in the old galgalta.

Just like a guy said...

In fact, the male brain has been a greater cause of disaster than nearly any other organ in the body.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Has the brain ever killed anyone? Is it not the finger that pulls the trigger, the hand that thrusts a sword into another human being, the lips that give unfortunate orders?

Also, I am sure you remember the famous adage regarding the scenario of women being exclusively in power.

Just like a guy said...

Why blame the finger? After all, it merely pulls a trigger- it is the bullet which brings destruction. Why blame the hand? Is it not the sword which delivers the death blow? Why blame the lips? It is not the lips which carry out the orders, but the underlings?

Quite.

Crawling Axe said...

I suppose. Surely, however, the brain produced more grandeur than destruction?

Regardless, I was't measuring the good old cranium's beauty by the
products of its activity, but, rather, by the intricacy of its
structure, design and function.

Just like a guy said...

Whether or not the brain has produced more grandeur than destruction is not the point. The point is that the brain has produced more destruction than any other organ.

And you think the brain superior to, let us take one example, the stomach?

Anarchist Chossid said...

Again, yes, the brain has produced some nasty things. But also some things beautiful. And the beautiful outweighs the unsightly. While we all know what the main product of the stomach looks like.

And again, I am referring to the beauty of the said organ’s structure, not its products. Although the enteric system is also very interesting. All of the body is fascinating. But comparing the brain to any other system is like comparing chiddushim and insights produced by Chassidus Chabad with vertlach on Torah found in certain other contemporary sources. (Now, these vertlach are certainly very beautiful and profound, but when someone is well versed in Chassidus Chabad and hears one of them, a feeling of impatience starts creeping up on him, and thoughts like “I could be spending all this time learning a sicho from the Rebbe” start entering his mind.)

Just like a guy said...

But again, you are missing the point. Whether or not the good outweighs the bad is not in the purview of the discussion. All I said was that the brain had produced more destruction than any other organ. Regardless of whether the stomach produces beautiful things or not, at least it hasn't caused much damage throughout history.

Yes.

Anarchist Chossid said...

But we are arguing whether brain is more beautiful than the stomach. We then have to look at all the products of both structures — the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Just like a guy said...

We are not arguing beauty, we are arguing superiority.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Superiority in what aspect? And how do you measure it?

Anarchist Chossid said...

Saying that stomach is superior to the brain is saying that triangle (a percussive instrument) is superior to a pianoforte.

Just like a guy said...

I've always had a thing for the triangle.

Anarchist Chossid said...

And I, from time to time, when I am particularly tired or coming home from a late farbrengen, can even settle for lighter forms of entertainment or enlightenment.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Don’t get excited. I was speaking of drinking from the waters of Torah flowing through more peripheral channels. Or listening to some music written after 1900. But nothing vulgar, like listening to modern music or watching an American sport game.

Just like a guy said...

No Miles Davis or curling for you, eh?

Anarchist Chossid said...

Miles Davis is modern music?

No, certainly no curling.

Just like a guy said...

Well, it's certainly post 1900.

Well then.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Oh, normally, no. But when I am a little tired, why not?

Btw, some music, although written after 1900, really belongs before that time. Rather like Alter Rebbe was more of a rishoin...

Just like a guy said...

Huh?

I see.

e said...

I don't think anybody should ever get married at the age of 26!.

e said...

(the above assertion was vacuously true.)